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Date: 2007-03-31 14:26:22
Subject: Re: Mormon Prophet Hacks Man to Pieces with Sword

From: "mg" <mgkelson{at}>

On Mar 20, 1:59 am, "Jong Kim" <r...{at}> wrote:
> Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Six 1843-44 Pg.299 - Pg.300:
-> Meaning of Word Mormon

"Look," he went on to say, "if there is any name that is
totally honorable in its derivation, it is the name Mormon. And so, when
someone asks me about it and what it means, I quietly say-'Mormon means
more good.'" (The Prophet Joseph Smith first said this in 1843; see
Times and Seasons, 4:194; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp.

> To the Editor of the Times & Seasons:
> Sir: -- Through the medium of your paper, I wish to correct an error among
> men that profess to be learned, liberal and wise; and I do it the more
> cheerfully, because I hope sober-thinking and sound-reasoning people will
> sooner listen to the voice of truth, than be led astray by the vain
> pretensions of the self-wise.  The error I speak of, is the definition of
> the word "Mormon."  I has been stated that this word was
derived from the
> Greek word "mormo."  This is not the case.  There was no
Greek or Latin upon
> the plates from which I, through the grace of God, translated the Book of
> Mormon.  Let the language of that book speak for itself.  On the 523rd page,
> of the fourth edition, it reads: "And now behold we have written
this record
> according to our knowledge in the characters, which are called among us the
> "Reformed Egyptian," being handed down and altered by us,
according to our
> manner of speech; and if our plates had been sufficiently large, we should
> have written in Hebrew: but the Hebrew hath been altered by us, also; and if
> we could have written in Hebrew, behold ye would have had no imperfection in
> our record, but the Lord knoweth the things which we have written, and also,
> that none other people knoweth our language; therefore he hath prepared
> means for the interpretation thereof."
> Here then the subject is put to silence, for "none other people knoweth our
> language," therefore the Lord, and not man, had to interpret, after the
> people were all dead.  And as Paul said, "the world by wisdom
know not God,"
> so the world by speculation are destitute of revelation; and as God in his
> superior wisdom, has always given his Saints, wherever he had any on the
> earth, the same spirit, and that spirit, as John says, is the true spirit of
> prophecy, which is the testimony of Jesus, I may safely say that the word
> Mormon stands independent of the learning and wisdom of this generation. --
> Before I give a definition, however, to the word, let me say that the Bible
> in its widest sense, means good; for the Savior says according to the gospel
> of John, "I am the good shepherd;" and it will not be beyond
the common use
> of terms, to say that good is among the most important in use, and though
> known by various names in different languages, still its meaning is the
> same, and is ever in opposition to "bad."  We say from the
Saxon, "good";
> the Dane, "god"; the Goth, "goda"; the German,
"gut"; the Dutch, "goed"; the
> Latin, "bonus"; the Greek, "kalos"; the Hebrew,
"tob"; and the "Egyptian,
> "mon."  Hence, with the addition of "more," or the
contraction, "mor," we
> have the word "mormon"; which means, literally, "more good."
> (May 15, 1843.) T&S 4:194.
> "Tanuki Joe" <tanuki-...{at}> wrote in message
> news:0_vLh.11451$PL.5679{at}
> > "Then said Samuel, Bring ye hither to me Agag the king of
the Amalekites.
> > And Agag came unto him delicately [Heb. cheerfully]. And Agag said, Surely
> > the bitterness of death is past. And Samuel said, As thy sword hath made
> > women childless, so shall thy mother be childless among women. And Samuel
> > hewed Agag in pieces before the LORD in Gilgal" (1Sa 15:32-33).
> The Jesuit Order
> The Society of Jesus (Jesuits)
> The complete Oath of Extreme Induction
> Library of Congress, Washington D.C., Library of Congress Catalog
> Card #66-43354, made public in 1883.
> ...
> Superior:
> My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman
> Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to spy even among your own brethren;
> to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a Reformer;
> among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a
> Calvinist; among the Protestants, generally to be a Protestant; and
> obtaining their confidence to seek even to preach from their pulpits and to
> denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the
> Pope; and to descend so low as to become a Jew among the Jews, that you
> might be enabled to gather together all information for your Order as a
> faithful soldier of the Pope.
> You have been taught to insidiously plant the seeds of jealousy and hatred
> between communities, provinces and states that were at peace, and incite
> them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create
> revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and
> prosperous, cultivating the arts and sciences and enjoying the blessings of
> peace. To take sides with the combatants and to act secretly in concert with
> your brother Jesuit, who may be engaged on the other side, but openly
> opposed to that with which you might be connected; only that the Church
> might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for
> peace and that the end justifies the means.
> You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and
> information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into the
> confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class
> and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer,
> among the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and in
> the judiciaries councils of state, and to "be all things to all
men," for
> the Pope's sake, whose servants we are unto death.
> You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a neophyte,
> and have served as a coadjutor, confessor and priest, but you have not been
> invested with all that is necessary to command in the Army of Loyola in the
> service of the Pope. You must serve the proper time as the instrument and
> executioner as directed by your superiors; for none can command here who has
> not consecrated his labors with the blood of the heretic; for "without the
> shedding of blood no man can be saved." Therefore, to fit yourself for your
> work, and make your own salvation sure, you will, in addition to your former
> oath of obedience to your Order and your allegiance to the Pope, repeat
> after me.
> ...
> Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name
> of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his
> Viceregent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated.
> [Finis]
> W. Tyndale Translation -- Matthew 5:33-37
> "Again ye have heard how it was said to them of old time, thou shalt not
> forswear thyself, but shalt perform thine oath to God. But I say unto you,
> swear not at all: neither by heaven, for it is God's seat: nor yet by the
> earth, for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem, for it is the city of
> that great king: neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst
> not make one white hair, or black: But your communication shall be, yea,
> yea: nay, nay. For whatsoever is more than that, cometh of evil."
>      Forswear, v.
>         ... *forswear oneself*, to swear falsely, commit perjury.
> W. Tyndale Translation -- James 5:12
> "But above all things my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by
> earth, neither by any other oath. Let your yea be yea, and your nay nay:
> lest ye fall into hypocrisy."
> W. Tyndale Translation -- 2 Corinthians 1:17-22
> "Or think I carnally those things which I think? that with me should be yea
> yea, and nay nay. God is faithful: For our preaching unto you, was not yea
> and nay. For God's son Jesus Christ which was preached among you by us (that
> is to say by me and Silvanus and Timotheus) was not yea and nay: but in him
> it was yea. For all the promises of God, in him are yea: and are in him
> Amen, unto the laud of God through us. For it is God which stablisheth us
> and you in Christ, and hath anointed us, which hath also sealed us, and hath
> given the earnest of the spirit into our hearts."
>      Laud, n.
>         1. (formal) praise.
> 22 And there are also secret combinations, even as in times of old,
> according to the combinations of the devil, for he is the founder of all
> these things; yea, the founder of murder, and works of darkness; yea, and he
> leadeth them by the neck with a flaxen cord, until he bindeth them with his
> strong cords forever.
> 23 For behold, my beloved brethren, I say unto you that the Lord God worketh
> not in darkness.
> 24 He doeth not anything save it be for the benefit of the world; for he
> loveth the world, even that he layeth down his own life that he may draw all
> men unto him. Wherefore, he commandeth none that they shall not partake of
> his salvation.
> 25 Behold, doth he cry unto any, saying: Depart from me? Behold, I say unto
> you, Nay; but he saith: Come unto me all ye ends of the earth, buy milk and
> honey, without money and without price.
> 26 Behold, hath he commanded any that they should depart out of the
> synagogues, or out of the houses of worship? Behold, I say unto you, Nay.
> 27 Hath he commanded any that they should not partake of his salvation?
> Behold I say unto you, Nay; but he hath given it free for all men; and he
> hath commanded his people that they should persuade all men to repentance.
> 28 Behold, hath the Lord commanded any that they should not partake of his
> goodness? Behold I say unto you, Nay; but all men are privileged the one
> like unto the other, and none are forbidden.
> 29 He commandeth that there shall be no priestcrafts; for, behold,
> priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the
> world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the
> welfare of Zion.
> (Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 26:22 - 29)
> Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews, Book 6, Ch. 7):
> Now Samuel came unto Saul and said to him that he was sent by God to put him
> in mind ... "because the Amalekites did the Hebrews a great deal
of mischief
> while they were in the wilderness, ... to leave none of them alive, ... in
> obedience to the commands of Moses, to blot out the name of Amalek
> entirely." ... Accordingly, Saul made an invasion into the country of the
> Amalekites ... And when that undertaking had succeeded, according as God had
> foretold, he set upon the cities of the Amalekites; ... it was done by the
> command of God, whom it was dangerous not to obey. He also took Agag, the
> enemy's king, captive; the beauty and tallness of whose body he admired so
> much that he thought him worthy of preservation. Yet this was not done,
> however, according to the will of God, but by giving way to human passions
> and suffering himself to be moved with an inappropriate compassion, in a
> point where it was not safe for him to indulge it; for God hated the nation
> of the Amalekites to such a degree, that he commanded Saul to have no pity
> on even those infants which we by nature chiefly pity. But Saul preserved
> their king and governor from the miseries which the Hebrews brought on the
> people, as if he preferred the fine appearance of the enemy to the memory of
> what God had sent him about. ... As soon, therefore, as God had rejected the
> intercession of the prophet, and it plainly appeared he would not change his
> mind, at break of day Samuel came to Saul at Gilgal. ... Agag also, the king
> of the Amalekites, was brought to him; and when the king asked how bitter
> death was, Samuel said, "As you have made many of the Hebrew mothers to
> lament and bewail the loss of their children, so shall you, by your death,
> cause your mother to lament you also." Accordingly he gave order
to slay him
> immediately at Gilgal and then went away to the city Ramah.
> Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews, Book 6, Ch. 8):
> ... he called Jesse and his sons to partake of those sacrifices; and when he
> saw his eldest son to be a tall and handsome man, he guessed by his
> comeliness that he was the person who was to be their future king. But he
> was mistaken in judging about God's providence; for when Samuel inquired of
> God whether he should anoint this youth, whom he so admired and esteemed
> worthy of the kingdom, God said, "Men do not see as God sees. You indeed
> have respect for the fine appearance of this youth, and from there esteem
> him worthy of the kingdom, while I propose the kingdom as a reward, not of
> the beauty of
> bodies, but of the virtue of souls, and I inquire after one that is
> perfectly comely in that respect; I mean one who is beautiful in piety, and
> righteousness, and fortitude, and obedience; for in them consists the
> comeliness of the soul."
> Journal of Discourses, Vol.4, Pg.220, Brigham Young, February 8, 1857:
> Now take the wicked, and I can refer to where the Lord had to slay every
> soul of the Israelites that went out of Egypt, except Caleb and Joshua.  He
> slew them by the hands of their enemies, by the plague, and by the sword,
> why?  Because He loved them, and promised Abraham that He would save them.
> And He loved Abraham because he was a friend to his God, and would stick to
> Him in the hour of darkness, hence He promised Abraham that He would save
> his seed.  And He could save them upon no other principle, for they had
> forfeited their right to the land of Canaan by transgressing the law of God,
> and they could not have atoned for the sin if they had lived.  But if they
> were slain, the Lord could bring them up in the resurrection, and give them
> the land of Canaan, and He could not do it on any other principle.
> I could refer you to plenty of instances where men have been righteously
> slain, in order to atone for their sins.  I have seen scores and hundreds of
> people for whom there would have been a chance (in the last resurrection
> there will be) if their lives had been taken and their blood spilled on the
> ground as a smoking incense to the Almighty, but who are now angels to the
> devil, until our elder brother Jesus Christ raises them up--conquers death,
> hell, and the grave.  I have known a great many men who have left this
> Church for whom there is no chance whatever for exaltation, but if their
> blood had been spilled, it would have been better for them.  The wickedness
> and ignorance of the nations forbid this principle's being in full force,
> but the time will come when the law of God will be in full force.
> This is loving our neighbour as ourselves; if he needs help, help him; and
> if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the earth in
> order that he may be saved, spill it.  Any of you who understand the
> principles of eternity, if you have sinned a sin requiring the shedding of
> blood, except the sin unto death, would not be satisfied nor rest until your
> blood should be spilled, that you might gain that salvation you desire.
> That is the way to love mankind.
> Christ and Belial have not become friends; they have never shaken hands;
> they never have agreed to be brothers and to be on good terms; no, never;
> and they never will, because they are diametrically opposed to each other.
> If one conquers, the other is destroyed.  One or the other of them must
> triumph and utterly destroy and cast down his opponent.  Light and darkness
> cannot dwell together, and so it is with the kingdom of God.
> [end of Scripture quote]
> About 11:45 or 11:46 pm, the Holy Ghost bore record to me of paragraph #1 in
> the above quote of the Prophet and Apostle Brigham Young.
> Journal of Wilford Woodruff:
> August 19, 1860: At Sunday meeting, President Young followed and expressed
> his feelings upon a variety of things. Presidents Young and Kimball, with
> O. Pratt, W. Woodruff, J. Taylor, G. A. Smith, E. Snow, F. D. Richards and
> G. Q. Cannon of the Twelve, met for prayer when the following conversation
> took place. President Young said the people of the United States had sought
> our destruction and they had used every exertion to perfect it. They have
> worked through the Masonic institution to perfect it. Joseph and Hyrum Smith
> were Master Masons and they were put to death by masons or through their
> instigation, and he gave the sign of distress and he was shot by masons
> while in the act, and there were delegates from the various lodges in the
> Union to see that he was put to death. I hope to live to see the day when
> I can have power to make them do right. They have got the blood of the
> prophets upon their heads and they have got to meet it. When President
> Buchanan and the U.S. Government sent Col. Johnston and the U.S. Army
> to Utah, it was with the express purpose to destroy the Church and Kingdom
> from off the earth, to put to death this people, but the Lord sustained us
> and put them to shame and confusion and to His name be the honor and
> glory. There are other Masons sent to this territory for the same purpose
> to establish a lodge here and try to get an influence with some here to lay
> a plan to try to murder me and the leaders of the Church, but they will not
> accomplish it. Now Brother L. N. Scovill thinks so much of masonry that he
> might join in with them. G. A. Smith said he does not wish to mix hair and
> wool, but he would like to go to England and obtain five charters for lodges
> which would give us a grand lodge which would make us independent of all
> other Grand Lodges in the world. This is what Brother Scovill would like to
> do and this could be done, but I do not think he would be willing to mingle
> with our enemies to the injury of this people. President Young said I have
> no doubt but that thing could be done and we could take our young men
> into the lodge, but then I would ask what good could it do? What good
> could result from it? I think no good at all. The truth is we have got to
> look to the Lord God of Israel to sustain us, and not to any institution
> or kingdom or people upon the earth except the kingdom of God, and
> I ask no odds of any man or set of men beneath the heavens except
> the Lord and His saints.
> 19 For the Lord worketh not in secret combinations, neither doth he will
> that man should shed blood, but in all things hath forbidden it, from the
> beginning of man.
> (Book of Mormon | Ether 8:19)
> 25 Behold, the land of Zion-I, the Lord, hold it in mine own hands;
> 26 Nevertheless, I, the Lord, render unto Csar the things which are
> Csar's.
> 27 Wherefore, I the Lord will that you should purchase the lands, that you
> may have advantage of the world, that you may have claim on the world, that
> they may not be stirred up unto anger.
> 28 For Satan putteth it into their hearts to anger against you, and to the
> shedding of blood.
> 29 Wherefore, the land of Zion shall not be obtained but by purchase or by
> blood, otherwise there is none inheritance for you.
> 30 And if by purchase, behold you are blessed;
> 31 And if by blood, as you are forbidden to shed blood, lo, your enemies are
> upon you, and ye shall be scourged from city to city, and from synagogue to
> synagogue, and but few shall stand to receive an inheritance.
> 32 I, the Lord, am angry with the wicked; I am holding my Spirit from the
> inhabitants of the earth.
> 33 I have sworn in my wrath, and decreed wars upon the face of the earth,
> and the wicked shall slay the wicked, and fear shall come upon every man;
> 34 And the saints also shall hardly escape; nevertheless, I, the Lord, am
> with them, and will come down in heaven from the presence of my Father and
> consume the wicked with unquenchable fire.
> 35 And behold, this is not yet, but by and by.
> 36 Wherefore, seeing that I, the Lord, have decreed all these things upon
> the face of the earth, I will that my saints should be assembled upon the
> land of Zion;
> 37 And that every man should take righteousness in his hands and
> faithfulness upon his loins, and lift a warning voice unto the inhabitants
> of the earth; and declare both by word and by flight that desolation shall
> come upon the wicked.
> (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 63:25 - 37)
> 1 The burden of Babylon, which Isaiah the son of Amoz did see.
> 2 Lift ye up a banner upon the high mountain, exalt the voice unto them,
> shake the hand, that they may go into the gates of the nobles.
> 3 I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for
> mine anger, [even] them that rejoice in my highness.
> 4 The noise of a multitude in the mountains, like as of a great people; a
> tumultuous noise of the kingdoms of nations gathered together: the LORD of
> hosts mustereth the host of the battle.
> 5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, [even] the LORD, and
> the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.
> 6  Howl ye; for the day of the LORD [is] at hand; it shall come as a
> destruction from the Almighty.
> 7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
> 8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they
> shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at
> another; their faces [shall be as] flames.
> 9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce
> anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof
> out of it.
> 10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give
> their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon
> shall not cause her light to shine.
> 11 And I will punish the world for [their] evil, and the wicked for their
> iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay
> low the haughtiness of the terrible.
> (Old Testament | Isaiah 13:1 - 11)
> 4 But behold, in the last days, even now while the Lord is beginning to
> bring forth the word, and the blade is springing up and is yet tender-
> 5 Behold, verily I say unto you, the angels are crying unto the Lord day and
> night, who are ready and waiting to be sent forth to reap down the fields;
> 6 But the Lord saith unto them, pluck not up the tares while the blade is
> yet tender (for verily your faith is weak), lest you destroy the wheat also.
> 7 Therefore, let the wheat and the tares grow together until the harvest is
> fully ripe; then ye shall first gather out the wheat from among the tares,
> and after the gathering of the wheat, behold and lo, the tares are bound in
> bundles, and the field remaineth to be burned.
> (Doctrine and Covenants | Section 86:4 - 7)

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